| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
John M
Guest
|
 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:43 Post subject: Re: dRd says: |
 |
|
| Anonymous wrote: |
|
When the competition involves teams representing each continent, I don't think it's far fetched at all to suggest the Americas would stick together. |
I honestly don't believe that's the case, if an English referee was in charge of a game between erm....Belgium and....lets say Nigeria, you wouldn't suspect that he'd favour the Belgiums.
And it wasn't as though any of our goals were disallowed under dubious circumstances, they were all tight offside decisions, every week in the Premiership goals are given and disallowed in similar circumstances. If Morrientes had scored that header in the first minute it wouldn't have been disallowed, if Gerrard hadn't scuffed that shot wide in the first half it wouldn't have been disallowed. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Dave w.
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Posts: 840
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 21:03 Post subject: Re: dRd says: |
|
|
| Anonymous wrote: |
|
When the competition involves teams representing each continent, I don't think it's far fetched at all to suggest the Americas would stick together. Liverpool could have had a penalty as well, and one of the Sao Paulo players was lucky not to be sent off. I think the officials had a shocker. Plus, I don't buy that Liverpool weren't good enough; they scored at least as many 'good' goals as the opposition. I know the record books will say Sao Paulo won, but Liverpool didn't lose to Sao Paulo; the officials, and their wrong decisions, beat them. |
sinama pongolle's goal was, marginally, not offside as garcia was just about level, but as a split-second decision you can understand the linesman getting it wrong. (although benefit of the doubt is supposed to be given to the attacker, even though it never is  .)
the other two 'goals' were probably correctly disallowed. we could have had a penalty, but it wasn't blatant, and the sao paulo defender could have gone for his tackle on gerrard, but again it wasn't a clear red card.
i've got a friend from the czech republic and he says the referees there are (and are known to be) bribed to give decisions, so you often get ridiculous last minute penalty awards when a team needs one. the result is that attendances there are tiny, as the whole game becomes meaningless. accusations are bandied about a lot in this country, and i'll probably shout anything at a ref who doesn't give liverpool a decision if i'm at the game, but if i thought that referees were really biased or corrupt i wouldn't go. what would be the point?
ranting at the ref is part of the game (so why anyone would become a ref is beyond me), but i think you've got to accept that decisions and mistakes are honest. one of the things that's most impressive about benitez is that he hasn't made a load of excuses in the past when we've lost. he has a dignity that's woefully lacking in the other top managers in this country. i think he's let himself down a bit after this game, but given the week he's had that's forgivable.
liverpool did lose to sao paulo, because they scored a goal and we didn't, just like chelsea did lose to liverpool in may, cos we scored and they didn't. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 02:48 Post subject: dRd says |
|
|
[quote="John M"]
| Anonymous wrote: |
|
if an English referee was in charge of a game between erm....Belgium and....lets say Nigeria, you wouldn't suspect that he'd favour the Belgiums. |
yeah you would |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 02:54 Post subject: dRd says |
|
|
| Dave w. wrote: |
|
benefit of the doubt is supposed to be given to the attacker |
yes, it is. There were 5 major decisions made against Liverpool, whatever happened to the law of averages.
the Chelsea match, Jose Mourinho, etc, has nothing to do with this match. 'Good losers' are almost as annoying as 'bad losers'  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 03:32 Post subject: dRd says |
|
|
| oh, and only 3 minutes of 'injury time' at the end of the match? what a joke. there should have been that for the substitutions alone, never mind all the time wasted by the Sao Paulo keeper rolling around pretending he'd landed badly on his elbow, only to acrobatically tip another Liverpool effort over his crossbar moments after he'd finally got up. Fair play to Rafael Benitez for not quietly taking being cheated, because people will certainly take advantage of you if they think they can get away with it without anyone saying anything about it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Crustybit
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Posts: 64
Location: Noosa, Australia
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 03:37 Post subject: |
|
|
| You fucking lost, get over it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 03:44 Post subject: dRd yawns |
|
|
| this is the football thread, a place for discussion about football, you get over it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 03:49 Post subject: dRd adds |
|
|
oh, you're a Manchester United fan.
It figures  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Crustybit
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Posts: 64
Location: Noosa, Australia
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 05:45 Post subject: |
|
|
There's nowt wrong with being a devil  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tommy BOO
Joined: 21 Aug 2002
Posts: 3067
Location: here, there, and everywhere
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:39 Post subject: |
|
|
Calm down,
it's only football
.
I hate it when people say that.
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
IT'S JUST FOOTBALL
(says someone who wanted to murder his computer on Saturday when Barnsley's magnificent 12-game unbeaten run ended against Yeovil Town)
_________________
"Tommy Boo has played a pivotal role in my life. I've looked up to him since I was a kid and he has inspired every note of music I have ever written. The man is a fucking genius"
-BC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dave w.
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Posts: 840
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 21:09 Post subject: Re: dRd says |
|
|
| Quote: |
| the Chelsea match, Jose Mourinho, etc, has nothing to do with this match. 'Good losers' are almost as annoying as 'bad losers' |
he looks like an idiot because he's still going on about a decision that went against him months ago. i just hope that doesn't happen with this.
all i'm saying in relation to this game and the chelsea game is that sometimes it goes for you and sometimes against.
i'm not normally a good loser, but we played well and lost in a tournament that's pretty meaningless. (name the previous winners.) it's not that important.
| Quote: |
| Fair play to Rafael Benitez for not quietly taking being cheated, because people will certainly take advantage of you if they think they can get away with it without anyone saying anything about it. |
so you'll be happy if benitez becomes the same as the other two-faced whinging managers who moan about every decision that goes against them whilst quietly ignoring the ones that go for them? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guest
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 09:55 Post subject: dRd says |
|
|
| Dave w. wrote: |
|
he looks like an idiot because he's still going on about a decision that went against him months ago. |
he is an idiot, full stop. 
| Dave w. wrote: |
|
so you'll be happy if benitez becomes the same as the other two-faced whinging managers who moan about every decision that goes against them whilst quietly ignoring the ones that go for them? |
nah, that's exaggerating a bit, I'm not talking about one decision in a game that went against someone, but five of them (three of which were disallowed goals), plus the lack of injury time looks more than dodgy.
I've only seen one other team score three times in a match only for them to be all ruled out and that was Italy vs South Korea at the last World Cup. they were all 'good' plus Spain also had two 'good' goals ruled out, also against South Korea. I wanted SK to do well, coz they've always been exciting to watch in any World Cup I've seen, plus they were co-hosts, and you usually want hosts to do well coz it helps the tournament overall, but five goals ruled out in two games? of course that was a fix... as was the World Club Cup final last Sunday.
maybe I was quick to say all the Americas were sticking together, maybe the Canadian linesman had English or British heritage.... his name is: Hector Vergara
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dave w.
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Posts: 840
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 21:17 Post subject: Re: dRd says |
|
|
| Quote: |
| he is an idiot, full stop. |
no argument there 
| Quote: |
I'm not talking about one decision in a game that went against someone, but five of them (three of which were disallowed goals), plus the lack of injury time looks more than dodgy.
I've only seen one other team score three times in a match only for them to be all ruled out and that was Italy vs South Korea at the last World Cup. they were all 'good' plus Spain also had two 'good' goals ruled out, also against South Korea. I wanted SK to do well, coz they've always been exciting to watch in any World Cup I've seen, plus they were co-hosts, and you usually want hosts to do well coz it helps the tournament overall, but five goals ruled out in two games? of course that was a fix... as was the World Club Cup final last Sunday. |
3 disallowed goals of which 2 were correct decisions!? i agree that some of south korea's games did look a little dodgy, but i really don't think sunday's game was. you often don't get as much injury time as you expect, a tackle on the half way line has to be pretty wild to be a straight red card (not sure if you can combine the fact that it was a bit dangerous with the fact that it prevented a decent breakaway to make it a red card - don't know if the rules work like that) and i can't remember that much about the penalty claim but it wasn't that clear i don't think.
don't think you're left with much evidence for a conspiracy theory, personally. if morientes and gerrard had scored in the first half when they should have done, would the ref have conjured up 2 more sao paolo goals from somewhere? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tommy BOO
Joined: 21 Aug 2002
Posts: 3067
Location: here, there, and everywhere
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 15:15 Post subject: |
|
|
League Cup quarter finals:
Middlesbrough 0 - 1 Blackburn
Blackburn will play against Man Utd in the semi finals.
Doncaster 2 - 2 Arsenal
(1-1 after 90 mins)
Arsenal win 3-1 on penalties.
I actually listened to the Donny game, and I think they were very unlucky not to win the game. Yes, Arsenal had their reserve team playing, but Doncaster still did amazingly well, which proves that they weren't just lucky in the previous League Cup games against Aston Villa, Gillingham and Man City... Donny were 1-0 up only after 3 minutes but Arsenal equalised on the second half. Doncaster then scored 2-1 on the 104th minute (extra time, obviously) and 16 minutes later they were already celebrating their victory as some Arsenal fans were already leaving the ground... until Arsenal (Gilberto Silva) scored 2-2 on the
added time
of the second half of extra time!
Arsenal's goalkeeper, Manuel Almunia, became the hero of Arsenal with three penalty saves, and Arsenal are through to the semi finals where they'll meet Wigan Athletic.
[img]http://www.arsenal.com/images/matchreports/doncaster21122005_8.jpg?[/img]
Arsenal celebrating their 'glorious' victory against Doncaster.
In Spain, Real Madrid lost again, this time against Racing Santander 1-2 at home. Jonathan Woodgate did not score for Racing Santander - I repeat, Jonathan Woodgate did
not
score for Racing Santander.
_________________
"Tommy Boo has played a pivotal role in my life. I've looked up to him since I was a kid and he has inspired every note of music I have ever written. The man is a fucking genius"
-BC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
John M
Guest
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
back to main site
FAQ
Search
Profile
Register
Log in to check your private messages
