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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 22:29    Post subject: BBC2 Monday Tuesday Arena 9pm Bob Dylan Reply with quote



















































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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 09:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

And after that's over you can switch over to the hip hop documentary on channel 4.

http://www.channel4.com/music/ontv/H/hiphopnights.html


Or 'Trust Me, I'm a Holiday Rep' on Channel 5.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part one of the dylan documentary is on here tonight and i am well excited.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 13:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did you think?
I thought it was fairly boring to be honest and didn't really give any insight into anything much.
Still good though, as Bob is good.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 15:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought the opposite.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 16:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was much more chirpy and upbeat than I thought he'd be. I particularly like the footage of the people coming out of his concert arguing amongst themselves, "I didn't come here to see a pop band" etc...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 16:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

i liked "Bob Dylan was a bastard in the second half"

you normally only say that about referees.

ace


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 17:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bobblehead looked and sounded ten years' younger than I expected.

Engrossing viewing; but there were some glaring holes, mostly down to the ineptitude of the interviewer... why wasn't Bob asked why he felt the need to be disingenuous about his background and upbringing? How did he feel on the "Judas!" tour... I don't believe that the little conversation in the back of the car, "Why do they spend so much on tickets just to come and boo me?" gave us a true insight into his feelings... Why he had such a cavalier attitude to his friends, and - especially - their belongings? Why - if he was uncomfortable with being the 'spokesman of his generation', he actively played up to the role? They're just a few that I would have liked to ask him.

I know that the questions would have been heavily vetted; but, because of that, it's a far from perfect documentary, and you would think that Scorcese would have rigorous standards of his own to aim for, rather than merely sacrificing them to kow-tow to Dylan.

Of course, the whole point about Bob Dylan [apart from the music, which is akin to saying write an essay about why air is vital to life on earth without mentioning oxygen] is that he is as masterful at obscuring the facts and truth of his life as he is the meaning of his songs. It's what makes him so endlessly fascinating. He wasn't about to blow any of that smoke away just for the sake of Martin Scorcese and an Arena documentary.

If Neolithic man had left a little note in Amesbury saying,

"Hello people of the future,
Please don't let your dogs crap in the middle of our rounders field."

A few hundred thousand people a year wouldn't bother going to visit Stonehenge.

I can't wait for tonight's edition, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 19:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would disagree to say that i don't believe he ever 'actively played up to the role' of spokesman of his generation. From the start he refuted, ignored or mocked the very suggestion.

I don't think that the bits from 1966 shouldn't be taken as part of the narrative. If this had been done purely chronologically then the '66 bits would have taken up over an hour, i reckon' which would have left the whole joint looking a bit lopsided.

if i had nicked my mates' records then i wouldn't want some guy asking me about it on telly either.

anyway, i cant get bbc2 so i gotta go to dickie jim's to watch it.

avanti!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 22:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would neolithic man leaving a note in Aylesbury lead to people not visiting Stonehenge?
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And since when did Bob Dylan play rounders?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 23:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i would disagree to say that i don't believe he ever 'actively played up to the role' of spokesman of his generation. From the start he refuted, ignored or mocked the very suggestion.


Very true.

But his early songs used religious language and imagery and dealt with the biggest of all themes. It was obvious - especially to a man of Dylan's intelligence - that he would be elevated, stuck on a dais, and analysed to the acutest degree. He mightn't have actively played up the role of spokesperson for a generation; but many of his songs certainly invited that kind of an epithet. Throughout his career, he has enjoyed opening the door just a little bit to let his fans get a tantalising glimpse of who he is, or what his music is, before slamming it in their faces. He's the greatest example in popular music of the 'treat em mean to keep em keen' philosophy.

So, yes, to my mind, he did - at one point - actively play up the role of spokesperson for his generation. He just stopped doing it as soon as people started to call him it.

I would love to know how Dylan was with Woody Guthrie in that asylum. Is the journey that he made there that different from the nutters and freaks who visited him when he lived in Woodstock.

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I don't think that the bits from 1966 shouldn't be taken as part of the narrative. If this had been done purely chronologically then the '66 bits would have taken up over an hour, i reckon' which would have left the whole joint looking a bit lopsided.


A lot of my questions were answered by tonight's instalment. I was assuming that tonight we would have moved on, post Highway 61, post Blonde on Blonde - post the accident... but it looks like Scorcese - like you, bc - thinks that all of Dylan's best material came pre July '66. Wink

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if i had nicked my mates' records then i wouldn't want some guy asking me about it on telly either.


I don't give a fuck how special someone is. I don't care how talented they are, and how honoured I should feel to know / have known them: if they come over my house and nick my copy of 16 Lovers Lane or Music Has the Right to Children [current favourites] I'm going to be absolute bastard furious if I don't get them back. And I will stalk them until the end of their days - or until HMV have got those two albums in their Uber Sale to End All Sales Sale for £2.99.

I suppose that to get to the position Dylan did you have to be ruthless enough to use the people who are willing to let themselves be used.

A lot of what I've been watching over the last couple of nights got me thinking about akira the don: youth, insight, talent, and that ability to strip away all of the bullshit to focus in, and communicate, all of the erm... bullshit.

I look forward to AtD's 2008 tour, where he's ditched the loops and the hip hop in favour of Chris De Burgh-style, FM-friendly rawk ballads, and the crowd streaming out of the CIA are moaning about how he's "CRAP!" and "SOLD OUT!"

AtD has, perhaps, got the talent that Dylan had. All of that nowse, the hip hop foundation [the folk music of the last thirty years and the biggest earner, genre-wise, in the entire music industry] and that hunger to communicate. I just worry that AtD is too sensitive, gives too much of a shit, if that's possible, for the shitstorm that may be about to engulf him.

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anyway, i cant get bbc2 so i gotta go to dickie jim's to watch it.


If I were you, I'd ask for a chunk of your license fee back. BBC 2 is the only thing the BBC do that's worth the money spent on it. Wink

The wink's for my editor, should she read this.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dubya - T wrote:
Why would neolithic man leaving a note in Aylesbury lead to people not visiting Stonehenge?
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Aylesbury / Amesbury / grass / grarse...

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And since when did Bob Dylan play rounders?


You're right, Dubya! ANOTHER question that should have been asked.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 09:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought the end was shit x
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 21:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found all the other music most enjoyable. The jug band stuff completely freaked me out, as did Odetta who I had never heard of before. To my ears it sounded like strange and wildly experimental music.
And what happened to Dylan's voice in 1966? It went wrong. What was that all about?
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I thought it was really good, i really liked the folky stuff when he was playing to the civil rights movement with bob seegar, i wasnt to impressed with the electric stuff though.

Odetta was really cool, id never heard of her either, it reminded me of nick cave fro some reason really gothic and dark
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